Shobud Permanents history info--Show us Yours!!

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 4 Mar 2014 3:14 am

Todd - green bar absolutely essential, home alone or no.

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 5 Mar 2014 12:12 am

"What year did they stop putting the selector switches between the necks ? 1958 -1959 ??"

Later than that! Mine is ca. -63 D10 and it has the neck selector between the necks. Hard to see here, but it's there:

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 5 Mar 2014 12:23 am

Jussi, I do not know. But I speculate that it could have something to do with the introduction of ten string necks, which were wider. Is that 1960? However, it could just have been done to allow cross shafts 7 and 8 and C6 on the inside.

But do not take what I have written as any statement of fact.

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 5 Mar 2014 1:00 am

Chris, mine has 7 pedals, front neck is E9 with chromatic top strings which are original, you can tell that by the undercarriage. Also, it has the adjustable bridge and roller nuts. All that would put it in the 63 timeframe but earlier than -64-65 as it has the Madison decal. And this one in the link below used to be mine, as you can see, it has both coil tap switches and the PU selector switch between the necks. Only six pedals though and the E9 neck was the rear neck:

http://www.planet.eon.net/~gsimmons/shobud/month.html

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 5 Mar 2014 3:24 am

Here's a cool photo of Pete Drake and his D9 Bud, probably posted here before:

It probably might be hard to explain to an average Joe just what the h..l is going on this picture

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 5 Mar 2014 1:07 pm

Ok, what the h..l is?

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 5 Mar 2014 1:23 pm

Pete's Talking Steel!

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 5 Mar 2014 1:24 pm

He's using his "Talking Steel Guitar," an early form of the "Voice Box" that Peter Frampton made famous later on.
See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm77Xck34GE

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 5 Mar 2014 2:50 pm

I tried it once but I didn't inhale.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 5 Mar 2014 3:16 pm

I did that in the late 60's or early 70's, using a Voice of The Theater driver.

Chris Lucker · Post by **Chris Lucker** » 5 Mar 2014 4:06 pm

Jussi Huhtakangas wrote:"What year did they stop putting the selector switches between the necks ? 1958 -1959 ??"

Later than that! Mine is ca. -63 D10 and it has the neck selector between the necks. Hard to see here, but it's there:

Jussi, do you mean the three way Telecaster-type switch? That switch is not a problem. It is set mostly inside the cutout hole. The switches that block the cross shafts are the dpdt Bat switched that have the one inch long threaded neck and the big block that hangs below the deck. These were mounted in individual holes through the 3/4 inch top deck and not on a control panel so they ing down below the deck, as in this photo of your other Permanent:

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 6 Mar 2014 12:56 am

Wow - I'm having a tough time believing what I see! When I got my old D10 (see above) it had those self-same spring-loaded swivels for the lowers, and I took them off (three points of friction) and replaced them with springs acting directly on the cranks (one point). Never occurred to me they were original. The guitar sounds and tunes better now with fewer moving parts.

Dustin Rigsby · Post by **Dustin Rigsby** » 6 Mar 2014 1:09 am

Lane Gray wrote:He's using his "Talking Steel Guitar," an early form of the "Voice Box" that Peter Frampton made famous later on.
See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm77Xck34GE

Joe Walsh got that box from Framton who had gotten it from Drake, according to Walsh. It's in his "garage".

Cartwright Thompson · Post by **Cartwright Thompson** » 6 Mar 2014 11:06 am

Jussi, is that the D-10 you got from me?
I don't remember the black necks. I remember Andy's D-9, that was a sweet one.

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 7 Mar 2014 12:33 am

C-Man, yes, that's the one!!

I sold it to a Finnish forum member in the late 90's, who in turn sold it to Andy in Germany who in turn traded it back to me to that D9. Won't let it go anymore. My friend restored the guitar few years back, basically just stripped it down, cleaned it up and replaced the hex nuts on the rods at the changer end with nylon nuts. Plays smoother now and has a tone to kill for! Currently it only has one knee lever but I have the other teardrop lever with all the rods and parts and will add it someday. I miss that D9 too, not sure where it is now though!

Cartwright Thompson · Post by **Cartwright Thompson** » 7 Mar 2014 4:29 am

I bought that D-10 from Herb Remington. That's got the amazing wood (ebony?) on the font apron. I'm glad it's still in action!

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 7 Mar 2014 4:36 am

Yes, solid ebony front apron, natural birdseye top and black lacquer necks. Very elegant looking combination IMO!

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 8 Mar 2014 4:41 am

This guitar surfaced in Texas a while back......wonder what it's been up to?

Mike Harris · Post by **Mike Harris** » 9 Mar 2014 4:52 am

Al,

it's sitting in the garage, bored and lonely. I need to clean it up and string it up for 8-string or 10-string non-pedal. I still haven't heard how it sounds yet.

Moved into a new house last year and I've been on hiatus.

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 9 Mar 2014 6:55 am

Mike....thanks for the response. Just thought that guitar should be included in this fine thread.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 9 Mar 2014 8:13 am

Here's a good read-------
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... 63#2095463

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 6 Apr 2014 11:42 pm

I have some photos of more permanents that have several different variations of the undercarriage, clearly they were not all even close to the same.

Here is another Guitar.

Here is another,

it seems that these guitars went through quite a few design changes along the way.

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 7 Apr 2014 12:55 am

Biggest difference to my eye is between wires bent through the cranks in the first example and proper pivots in the others.

Adrian Adkisson · Post by **Adrian Adkisson** » 7 Apr 2014 2:03 pm

This is mine, I got it last summer from James, he redid the undercarriage. Looks very similar to Todd's but with endplates. A 9 string neck and an 8 string neck.

If you look on the 2nd page of the thread you can see James fine work!
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Roger Guyett · Post by **Roger Guyett** » 8 Apr 2014 12:56 pm

Here's mine.
Its a double 8 - the scale length was shortened at some point (keyheads moved)

The under carriage has some original parts but the actual pull rods have been replaced with Fender cables....